
Welcome to The Business Bruja! Where reclaiming our intuition, sacred medicine, embracing our magic, healing ancestral patterns and creating our soul inspired business meet! I’m Vanessa Codorniu and my purpose is to create space for real talk on spirituality, social justice, healing, business, love, creativity and our collective re-awakening. I look forward to our RISING. Vanessa@theBusinessBruja.com
Episodes

Tuesday May 21, 2024
Creating a Life of Purpose and Passion with Ana Lilia
Tuesday May 21, 2024
Tuesday May 21, 2024
In this inspiring episode, Vanessa Codorniu warmly welcomes Ana Lilia, a distinguished breath work coach and manifestation expert. The conversation ventures deep into Ana Lilia's personal journey and the profound power of breathwork in transforming lives. As the dialogue unfolds, listeners are granted an intimate tableau of Ana Lilia's work, her dedication to fostering human potential, and her unwavering belief in the healing arts.
Ana Lilia recounts her early life struggles and the eventual awakening to her calling as a guide and healer. Her story is a poignant portrayal of overcoming adversity, finding solace in therapy, and discovering life's purpose through the transformative practice of breathwork. She discusses how she has evolved her coaching practice to empower soulful entrepreneurs and individuals seeking greater alignment in their life's journey. The episode is a treasure trove of insights into the universal quest for healing, growth, and manifestation.
-
Ana Lilia leverages breathwork as a transformative tool, with years of helping individuals overcome limiting beliefs and achieving their goals.
-
Her personal journey is rooted in overcoming childhood struggles and transitioning from an acting career to finding purpose in wellness coaching.
-
Breathwork serves not only as a healing modality but also as a catalyst for entrepreneurial and career guidance.
-
Ana Lilia offers an innovative mentorship program aimed at helping soulful entrepreneurs combine their gifts with practical business strategies.
-
The episode delves into the themes of authenticity, upleveling money mindsets, and the importance of nurturing one's gifts and passions.
BIO:
Ana Lilia is a celebrated manifestation and mindset coach, as well as a breathwork coach. With a passion for helping individuals unveil their full potential, she leverages the transformative power of breath as a cornerstone of her practice. Boasting an impressive resume, Ana Lilia aids clients in liberating themselves from limiting beliefs and aligning with their deepest aspirations through personalized healing journeys. Her work comprises breathwork, intuitive guidance, and energy healings. She has assisted thousands in realizing their dreams and is recognized by various high-profile publications for her unique healing approach. In addition to her coaching services, Ana Lilia hosts the "Breathe More" broadcast and is actively involved in the wellness community.
#breathwork #authentic
Timestamp | Summary |
0:02 | Introducing Breath Work Coach Ana Lilia's Journey and Expertise |
2:23 | Overcoming Childhood Adversity and Embracing Therapy |
5:04 | Healing Trauma Through Body-Centered Psychotherapy and Spirituality |
9:17 | Healing and Dysfunction in Immigrant Families |
12:13 | Discovering a Life Calling Through Breath Work |
15:56 | Aligning Personal Values with Professional Choices |
19:24 | Leveraging Past Career Skills for Soulful Entrepreneurship |
21:23 | Embracing Online Platforms Pre-Pandemic to Globalize Healing |
23:18 | Evolving Healing Work to Empower and Manifest Desires |
26:13 | Redefining Success and Wealth Beyond Personal Limitations |
28:21 | Intention and Authenticity in Personal Growth and Business |
31:32 | Embracing Change and Finding Success Beyond the City |
35:34 | Healing Ancestral Money Patterns and Embracing Success |
39:54 | Transforming Money Mindsets and Empowering Soulful Entrepreneurs |
41:43 | Empowerment Through Financial Abundance and Self-Care |
43:48 | Embracing Ancestral Gifts and Healing in Modern Practices |
46:44 | Integrating Intuition and Business in Entrepreneurial Mentorship |
49:51 | Discover Healing and Joy with Ana Lilia's Guidance |

Monday May 13, 2024
Discovering the Way of Tea as a Path to Wholeness with LiYing
Monday May 13, 2024
Monday May 13, 2024
Join Vanessa in a captivating episode featuring LiYing, a spiritual mentor and ceremonial tea expert, as they dive into an enriching conversation about ancestral healing, personal transformation, and the profound practice of Cha dao. LiYing shares her inspiring story, from battling anorexia and exploring self-belonging to finding solace and presence in the art of tea ceremony. This episode is filled with raw emotion, authenticity, and the exploration of deep spiritual wisdom.
LiYing discusses her realization that true fulfillment in life comes from embodying wisdom rather than controlling outcomes, and how the practice of Cha Dao has offered her both personal healing and a path to help others. Moving from Malaysia to Hong Kong to Edinburgh, she transformed her life through self-discovery and alignment with her true essence. The conversation also touches on the concept of ancestral patterns and how releasing them can set both ourselves and our ancestors free, leading to a state of wholeness and presence.
-
LiYing emphasizes the importance of truly embodying wisdom and living in harmony with one's true essence, demonstrated through her personal journey of recovery from anorexia and her spiritual awakening through Cha dao.
-
The process of Cha dao, or the way of tea, is presented as a meditative practice and a portal to connect with ancestors and the wisdom they carry.
-
Transforming ancestral patterns is crucial for personal growth and wholeness. LiYing shares her experience of setting her ancestors free, which in turn allowed her to live more fully.
-
LiYing's shift from Hong Kong to Edinburgh signals a marked change in her life, illustrating the importance of being open to new opportunities and experiences.
-
There is a universal need to find stillness amidst chaos, and practices like Cha dao can help in
About:
LiYing is a healer, ceremonial tea expert, and the founder of When Still Waters Speak. She brings a wealth of wisdom from her experiences growing up with a Chinese background in Malaysia and her extensive journey through personal healing and spiritual mentorship. LiYing’s work is deeply rooted in Cha dao, the way of tea, which she approaches not just as a principle but as a reverent way of living in harmony with nature. She has also delved into bioenergetics, quantum science, and traditional Chinese medicine to further her practice.
For more information:
Timestamp | Summary |
0:01 | Introducing LiYing: A Spiritual Healer and Cha Dao Mentor |
2:32 | Diaspora, Belonging, and Family Sacrifices |
5:40 | Triumph Over Anorexia and a New Life in Hong Kong |
8:40 | Ancestral Connection and Life-Changing Tea Ceremony |
11:52 | Embracing the Mystery and Stillness Within Chaos |
15:32 | Tea Ceremonies and Spiritual Connections in Scotland |
20:14 | Embracing the Unknown in Spiritual and Business Journeys |
22:21 | Embracing the Unknown and the Challenges of Entrepreneurship |
23:41 | Embracing the Journey of Spiritual Wholeness and Healing |
30:27 | Trials to Triumph: Overcoming Life's Harshest Challenges |
31:36 | Embracing Life's Challenges as Transformational Journeys |
35:38 | Breaking Ancestral Patterns and Embracing Self-Love |
40:51 | Ancestral Honors: The Banana Boat Sending Away Ceremony |
42:00 | Transformative Ancestral Healing and Spiritual Forgiveness |
45:13 |
Discovering Inner Wisdom Through Cha Dao Mentorship |

Tuesday May 07, 2024
New Moon in Taurus: Criaturas of the Earth Seeding Cambios & Peace
Tuesday May 07, 2024
Tuesday May 07, 2024
Vanessa Codorniu, also known as Biz Bruja, is a modern-day bruja, fourth-generation psychic medium, clinical hypnotist, energy healer, and soul biz mentor and coach. An Argentinian-American who began reading adults at 16, she became a professional intuitive by the age of 22. Vanessa guides creatives, intuitives, healers, and entrepreneurs to break through fears, connect to their intuition, and serve the world powerfully.
Join us in this episode of the Biz Bruja podcast, where Vanessa Codorniu, delves into the potent energies of the new moon in Taurus. We unfold the realms of intuition, healing ancestral patterns, and invoke creative power in our well-being, families, communities, and businesses. With her rich experience in esoteric arts and business coaching, Vanessa shares her profound insights and guides listeners through a meditative journey.
The new moon in Taurus arises after the energy-shifting total solar eclipse and presents an opportune moment to release old habits and set bold intentions for personal and professional growth. Vanessa keenly integrates astrological wisdom with the practical needs of our times, interpreting the stellium in Taurus as an inviting force for slowing down and indulging in self-care amidst our busy lives. Through a guided meditation, she aids listeners in harnessing the new moon’s energies to affirm abundance, peace, and the importance of nurturing our connection to Mother Earth.
-
The new moon in Taurus offers an opportunity to spring clean our habits and set intentions for new beginnings while also reminding us to slow down and appreciate the simple pleasures in life.
-
Even amidst cycles of work and ambition, it's essential to schedule time for rest and connect with nature to maintain balance and well-being.
-
The stellium in Taurus, consisting of the Sun, Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus in the sign, brings a mix of energies for initiating change and seeking comfort and stability.
-
Vanessa stresses the importance of not spiritually bypassing current global issues and encourages listeners to support others while taking care of ourselves.
-
The guided meditation provides a space for personal reflection on abundance, self-love, and the desire for peace and healing across the globe.
Tune into the full episode to explore the depths of the new moon's magic with Vanessa Codorniu and find inspiration to invoke powerful creations in your own life. Stay connected for more empowering episodes that blend spirituality and practicality from the Biz Bruja podcast.
Follow Vanessa on IG: @Thebizbruja
More info: TheBizBruja.com
|
|
Timestamp |
Summary |
0:01 |
Empowering Intuitives and Entrepreneurs with Sacred Medicina |
1:13 |
Embracing New Beginnings with the Taurus New Moon |
2:57 |
Embracing Rest and Mindfulness in a Busy World |
7:39 |
Embracing Diversity Through Personal and Social Experiences |
9:34 |
Addressing Genocide and Embracing Indigenous Practices |
11:07 |
Exploring the Diverse Ancestry of Latinos |
12:17 |
Embracing Jewish Roots and Interfaith Solidarity |
13:55 |
Finding Personal Peace Amidst Global Strife |
16:22 |
Embracing Our Cosmic and Earthly Existence |
18:30 |
Gratitude for Personal Abundance and Collective Resilience |
19:08 |
Guided Meditation for Personal and Global Healing |
21:52 |
Embracing Abundance and Safety Through Affirmations |
23:17 |
Embracing Life's Cycles of Endings and Beginnings |
25:36 |
Embracing Change and Releasing the Unnecessary for Growth |

Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Decolonizing Leadership and Reclaiming Identity with Cristina Garcia
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
In this insightful episode of the podcast, host Vanessa Codorniu dives deep into a conversation with Cristina Garcia, a leader on a mission to empower entrepreneurs and leaders through liberatory practices and decolonization. The dialogue unfolds with raw authenticity, exploring Cristina's rich cultural heritage and the passionate pathway that led her to redefining leadership models.
Cristina Garcia shares her personal journey, beginning with her upbringing in a politically and socially conscious household, to her experiences of feeling overshadowed by oppressive structures, and eventually to her breakthrough into nonprofit work. The discussion touches upon topics such as the importance of identity healing, the power of understanding one's own lineage, and the relevance of bringing entire identities to the forefront of leadership practices.
Takeaways:
-
Cristina Garcia emphasizes the significance of understanding one's identity and lineage to fully embrace their unique leadership voice.
-
She discusses her advocacy for decolonizing leadership and creating spaces that honor the wisdom of indigenous communities.
-
Garcia highlights her dad's influence in developing her social consciousness and the values instilled in her from early childhood.
-
The conversation explores the oppressive effects of colonization on self-identity and the importance of reclaiming one’s ancestral wisdom.
-
Garcia introduces her "Liberatory Leadership Lab," a program designed to provide leaders with the tools to lead from a place of collective liberation and personal authenticity.
BIO:
Cristina Garcia, is an expert in program development, policy advocacy, and community organizing. With over 18 years of experience, she has dedicated her career to bringing an anti-oppressive, trauma-informed, and healing justice approach to various leadership and entrepreneurial roles. She holds a Bachelor's in Business and a Master's degree in Social Work from the University of Chicago. As a daughter of Mexican immigrants, she is deeply connected to her roots and draws on her unique lineage and identity to shape her work in fostering collective liberation.
Resources:
The Liberatory Leadership Lab is a full body immersion into the redefinition of the Leadership space; an embodied and Audacious Leadership in which we position ourselves as the architects and creators of our own Path, integrating our own Value systems, Identities and Frameworks into the way we lead, in our careers and in our lives.
The Lab is designed for audacious leaders who are tired of being constrained by conventional leadership models and reject traditional hierarchical forms of Leadership. Those who want to dream into a New Vision and who want to be a part of the Cadre of Leaders who help shape a new Path for themselves & others.
Join us for a powerful listen into the real-world applications of ancestral wisdom and identity-conscious leadership with Cristina Garcia. You are invited to follow Cristina's work online and explore her "Liberatory Leadership Lab" as she guides leaders to their unique missions. Stay tuned for more enlightening content and episodes that continue to challenge, inspire, and transform.

Friday Apr 05, 2024
Solar Eclipse: Embracing Authentic Leadership and Releasing People Pleasing
Friday Apr 05, 2024
Friday Apr 05, 2024
In this down-to-earth and inspiring episode, Vanessa Codorniu, a revered spiritual guide and artist, delves into the themes of self-reflection and personal growth timed around the powerful astrological event of a solar eclipse. With her infectious energy and wisdom, Vanessa shares insights into how eclipses can catalyze life changes, urging listeners to assess their current position in life and their future aspirations.
Vanessa discusses the importance of recognizing and addressing behaviors and patterns revealed during an eclipse portal. She encourages listeners to leverage the upcoming solar eclipse in Aries as a source of empowerment to jumpstart projects and enrich their personal development.
Vanessa provides compelling perspectives on how the lunar and solar eclipses contrast in their impact on our inner worlds and how Aries season can invigorate our soul's evolution.
If you have any questions about the course, please reach out Muzeworks@gmail.com
Nachos Magicas/Born Magical 8 week Reclaiming Ancestral Intuitive Gifts Intuition Course: https://thebizbruja.com/school-of-hea...
Takeaways:
* Vanessa Codorniu emphasizes the significance of using the time leading up to the solar eclipse for introspection and anchoring into one's energies. * The episode sheds light on the astrological interpretations of eclipses—heralding sudden and impactful changes, particularly in relationships and personal sovereignty.
* Vanessa highlights the importance of reclaiming parts of oneself that may have been sidelined in order to please others and the potential of integrating these exiled parts for a fuller expression of life.
* She suggests that listeners revisit their astrological charts to understand how the stellium of celestial bodies in Aries might be influencing their lives. * Vanessa Codorniu introduces her upcoming course, sharing her experiences and inviting others to reclaim their ancestral gifts and intuition.
BIO: Vanessa Codorniu is a multitalented individual with a passion for the arts and a deep connection to spiritual practices. Known for engaging in creative endeavors like original musical plays and improv theater, Vanessa has a presence in the performing arts community in Central Pennsylvania. She is also immersed in the world of spirituality and intuitive practice, leading courses on ancestral healing and intuitive development, and offering personal readings. Vanessa is an embodiment of an artistic soul with a spiritual compass, guiding others through her experiences and insights.
#solareclipse, #Ariesariesseason #earthquake #solareclipse #authenticity #astrology #newmooninaries #psychicdevelopment

Tuesday Mar 26, 2024
Tuesday Mar 26, 2024
Hola mi gente bella! We survived the Lunar Eclipse Full Moon in Libra...well the impact is still unfolding as we enter eclipse season! I received some heavy news this morning that my friend passed and wanted to honor my friend, student and colleague, Reverend Kandace V. Simmons by sharing an interview that Christine Gutierrez and I did in 2018 as part of our Elevate Voices Summit where we focused on spotlighting the voices of BIPOC and LATINX healers. We freeze on zoom a little but it's passing!
Gracias por estar con nosotros! Thank you for being here. Kandace was an amazing person and a powerful soul. You will enjoy this!
_______________________
In this episode of Elevate Voices, Vanessa Codorniu and Christine Gutierrez are joined by Reverend Kandace V. Simmons to discuss the lack of diversity in the wellness and spirituality communities. They explore the impact of culture and race on spirituality and share practical tips for incorporating mindfulness and meditation into daily life. They also address the issue of anger and rage in conversations about race and offer suggestions for creating safe spaces for expression. Tune in to gain insights on finding inclusive meditation resources and the power of creating your own spaces for healing.
BIO: Reverend Kandace V. Simmons was a Spiritual Strategist, Sound Healer and Interfaith Minister as well as a graduate of Yale University, Award-winning businesswoman, sister, daughter, aunt and beloved friend.
Kandace applied her knowledge of property management and development, building design, architecture, marketing, and finance to maintain and complete 37 contracted projects. Over a 10-year period, she worked side by side with builders, represented the firm to clients, community boards and other public agencies to achieve approval of projects. In 1997, The Brooklyn NAACP honored her as CEO of the Year. Among Kandace's most rewarding accomplishments was the completion of The Greater Allen A.M.E . Cathedral which her father had started. What a blessing that her Celebration of Life is being held in this magnificent Cathedral today!
Kandace was a Strategy Management Consultant for Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation , owners of Foxwoods Resort Casino and MGM Grand at Foxwoods. She also served as Senior Director/Consultant for Management Consulting & Controls Group, Inc. , where she worked on projects that included the development of a $35 million new health care construction stimulus project, a $8 million rehabilitation and conversion of a landmark firehouse to a museum in Harlem, and a $3 million church renovation and expansion in the Bronx.
Kandace served for eight years as Mayor Bloomberg's representative to the NYC Public Design Commission which approves the design of all buildings, parks and installations of permanent artwork on city property.
At the time of her passing, she was employed by Civic Builders, Inc, the nation's first nonprofit charter school developer, where she served as Director of Real Estate Development.
Timestamp |
Summary |
0:00:02 |
Introduction to Elevate Voices and the purpose of the conversation series |
0:00:29 |
Welcoming Reverend Candice Simmons as a guest |
0:01:36 |
Reverend Candice Simmons shares her journey and the impact of her culture and race |
0:03:51 |
Christine Gutierrez asks about dealing with emotions and diverse perspectives |
0:05:44 |
Reverend Candice Simmons discusses the importance of mindfulness and meditation for self-care |
0:08:17 |
Christine Gutierrez asks about holding and sharing anger in conversations on race and culture |
0:09:19 |
Reverend Candice Simmons differentiates between anger and rage and suggests healthy ways to express anger |
0:13:52 |
Connection issues, conversation temporarily interrupted |
0:13:51 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: I'm frozen. |
0:13:55 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: I can't hear Christine anymore. |
0:14:06 |
Christine Gutierrez: Having safe spaces to express rage is important. |
0:14:37 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Dealing with anger before it becomes rage. |
0:15:21 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Using meditative practices to address anger. |
0:16:25 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Paying attention to what we watch to avoid anesthetization to violence. |
0:18:49 |
Christine Gutierrez: Lack of inclusion in meditation and mindfulness practices. |
0:19:42 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Lack of diversity in meditation spaces. |
0:20:13 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Importance of having a diverse perspective in meditation teachings. |
0:20:53 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Starting with simple breathing techniques and utilizing online resources. |
0:22:19 |
Reverend Kandace V. Simmons: Importance of having a toolkit of different meditation practices. |
0:22:40 |
Vanessa Codorniu: Finding meditative space through improv and presence. |
0:23:28 |
Christine Gutierrez: Different types of meditation and breath work techniques. |
0:25:06 |
Christine Gutierrez: Utilizing the privileges in the United States to create solutions. |
0:26:17 |
Creating spaces for all ages and diverse voices |
0:27:30 |
Importance of resources and support for meditation practice |
0:29:05 |
Addressing challenges and discomfort in meditation practice |
0:29:44 |
Need for more meditation spaces for people of color |
0:31:14 |
Creating inclusive and affordable meditation spaces |
0:33:22 |
Power of breath and healing within ourselves |
0:34:26 |
Importance of community in meditation practice |
0:34:44 |
Making peace accessible to everyone |
0:35:18 |
Taking action to create change and deepen meditation practice |
0:36:23 |
Gratitude and appreciation for Kandace's work and message |

Tuesday Mar 19, 2024
Spring Equinox: Embrace Renewal, Release, and Rebirth
Tuesday Mar 19, 2024
Tuesday Mar 19, 2024
Dive deep into the art of embracing change and spiritual renewal with Vanessa Codorníu, the modern-day Biz Bruja, in an evocative episode that signals the arrival of Spring Equinox. In this soulful session, Vanessa weaves together ancestral wisdom, intuition, and the importance of joy and self-care amidst our ever-evolving lives. This episode is a gentle reminder to recognize and shed what no longer serves us, to rekindle our inner magic, and to plant the seeds of new beginnings as the daylight grows longer and the world around us blossoms anew.
Vanessa touches on the significance of the Spring Equinox, a time of equal day and night that heralds longer days and serves as a natural point for cleansing and rebirth. As we transition from the emotional depths of Pisces season into the pioneering spirit of Aries, she encourages listeners to reflect on what needs releasing and how to initiate growth in their lives. She invites everyone to partake in spring cleaning, not just of physical spaces but of the mind and spirit, using simple rituals and nature's cyclical guidance to rejuvenate and recalibrate for the year ahead.
Listeners are treated to Vanessa's recount of her transformative spring equinox retreat, an experience that affirms the need for community, nature communion, and the joyous celebration of storytelling. The episode plants the seeds of self-care as an act of resistance and an essential key in building resilience to support broader societal healing. Vanessa's musings serve as a heartfelt call to nourish the soul and to embrace this season of renewal with an open heart and a playful spirit.
- The Spring Equinox is an ancestral and culturally celebrated period of balance, renewal, and preparation for growth, a powerful time for personal and spiritual cleansing.
- Embracing the lessons from the Pisces season and the proactive energy of Aries encourages personal release and initiation of new endeavors.
- Self-care, especially during turbulent times, is crucial for maintaining the ability to advocate and contribute to societal healing and support.
- Engaging in simple rituals, such as cleansing baths, can serve as effective practices for renewing the mind, body, and spirit.
- Vanessa's personal experience of hosting a spring equinox retreat underscores the significance of community, storytelling, and the arts, such as dance and theater, in fostering joy and holistic growth.
I will be sharing the information for my Spring Equinox Retreat 2025 soon!
Check out 8 reviews of this year's Retreat on IG TheBizBruja
Book a 30 minute Akashic Records session HERE
BIO: In this episode, Vanessa Codorníu, known as the Biz Bruja, is a fourth-generation psychic medium, clinical hypnotist, energy healer, and soul biz mentor and coach. Notably, she's an Argentine American who leveraged her abilities to read adults at 16 and became a professional intuitive at 22. She coaches creatives, intuitives, healers, and entrepreneurs, aiding them in overcoming fears and harnessing the practical power of intuition to serve the world powerfully.
Timestamp | Summary |
---|---|
0:00:01 | Introduction to the Biz Bruja podcast and Vanessa Codorniu's background |
0:01:41 | Discussion on the significance of the spring equinox |
0:03:30 | Transition from Pisces season to Aries season |
0:04:01 | Importance of spring cleaning and updating altars |
0:05:02 | Embracing the energies of Venus in Pisces |
0:06:21 | Invoking safety and releasing old patterns and traumas |
0:07:27 | Filling our cups and self-care as healers and spaceholders |
0:09:33 | Cultivating joy and strength to fight for what we believe in |
0:10:59 | Reflection on what gets to stay and go in our lives |
0:12:23 | The decision to continue hosting spring equinox retreats |
0:12:55 | Vanessa reflects on the need to let go and embrace new opportunities |
0:13:22 | Vanessa describes the activities at the retreat, including storytelling and soul retrieval |
0:14:33 | Vanessa discusses the concept of soul loss and the importance of calling back lost energy |
0:15:14 | Vanessa shares channeled information about the sacred animals of the Andean tradition |
0:15:55 | Vanessa emphasizes the need to balance different aspects of ourselves and the importance of play |
0:16:49 | Vanessa highlights the power of sisterhood and connecting with nature |
0:17:47 | Vanessa talks about the importance of taking action and using various tools for cleansing and clearing |
0:19:04 | Vanessa emphasizes the importance of ourselves as the ultimate tool for healing |
0:20:05 | Vanessa discusses the need for releasing old things to make room for something new |
0:20:52 | Vanessa encourages listeners to cleanse themselves and keep their hearts open |
0:21:30 | Vanessa emphasizes the need for healing, understanding, and unity among all people |
0:22:26 | Vanessa promotes her Spanish podcast, "Nasimo Mahicas" |
0:23:09 | Vanessa explains the motivation behind creating a Spanish podcast and the importance of honoring ancestral lineages |
0:24:00 | Vanessa expresses gratitude to the listeners and invites them to embrace the new season and rebirth |

Tuesday Mar 05, 2024
Tuesday Mar 05, 2024
In this enlightening conversation, renowned Relational Intelligence Consultant and Coach, Shirani M. Pathak, joins Vanessa Codorniu to dive deep into the world of relationships and systemic change. The discussion covers Shirani's journey from psychotherapist to a coach who disrupts oppressive systems to foster love and dignity in interpersonal engagements. The dialogue is rich with insights into Shirani's personal growth, the courage inherited from her ancestors, and the professional evolution that informs her consultative approach in corporate environments.
The episode navigates the intimate landscape of relational intelligence, highlighting its significance in both personal and corporate realms. Shirani speaks candidly about the intricacies of navigating systems of power and the importance of self-awareness in fostering transformative change. Through her experience, she demystifies ancestral patterns and discusses the ongoing process of alchemizing ancestral trauma into wisdom, thus leveraging the strength and courage of her lineage to fuel her mission in promoting relational health and justice.
Takeaways:
- Relational intelligence goes beyond emotional intelligence, emphasizing the impact of our interactions on multiple people and systems.
- Shirani's transition away from psychotherapy and into corporate coaching is driven by the need to dismantle oppressive systems at all levels.
- Every journey, including Shirani's ten-year entrepreneurship, involves ongoing growth and a willingness to adapt to unexpected changes and assignments.
- The process of accessing ancestral courage and healing requires deep, reflective work and an acknowledgment of the trauma and resilience in our histories.
- Shirani's approach integrates energy medicine, ancestral healing, and social justice to create holistic transformation in how we relate to each other and the world.
ABOUT GUEST: Shirani M. Pathak
Shirani M. Pathak (she/her) is a Relational Intelligence Consultant and Coach. She's a social worker, retired psychotherapist, and disruptor of oppressive systems in how we relate to ourselves and each other. Her goal is to use Love as a force for dismantling supremacy culture and creating positive change in our world. Her zone of genius is at the intersection of science, psychology, and spirituality where she uses her superpower of seeing interpersonal relational patterns to help people awaken from the spell of supremacy culture’s oppressive systems in their relationships. Shirani's toolkit includes energy medicine and ancestral healing. You can learn from Shirani's wisdom in her books, podcast, and newsletter, all titled, Fierce Authenticity. (www.shiranimpathak.com)
Timestamp | Summary |
---|---|
0:00:00 | Introduction and excitement to have Shirani on the call |
0:01:08 | Introduction to Shirani's background and work in relational intelligence |
0:03:48 | Explaining the concept of relational intelligence and its importance |
0:05:50 | Discussing how to relate with difficult people and handle differences |
0:07:28 | Exploring the roots of relational intelligence in personal experiences and healing |
0:08:40 | Shirani's astrological influences on her work |
0:10:47 | Shirani's personal experiences of not belonging and worthiness |
0:11:26 | Describing the alchemical work done with clients in therapy and coaching |
0:11:58 | Shirani M. Pathak discusses bringing ancestral healing and energy medicine into her work. |
0:13:32 | Vanessa Codorniu asks Shirani M. Pathak about how they can listen to difficult and traumatic stories without being overwhelmed. |
0:14:59 | Shirani M. Pathak explains that her personal experiences with trauma allow her to hold space for others. |
0:16:32 | Shirani M. Pathak discusses her work in corporate settings and the importance of addressing implicit biases and personal stories. |
0:19:21 | Shirani M. Pathak shares her decision to leave her psychotherapy practice and focus on supporting leaders and change-makers. |
0:21:03 | Vanessa Codorniu reflects on the importance of remaining flexible and open to where one's gifts are needed most. |
0:23:38 | Vanessa Codorniu discusses the need for responsibility and balance when pursuing a business online. |
0:23:38 | Miscommunications and lack of clarity in presenting businesses online |
0:24:21 | Reflecting on unexpected changes and being obedient to one's assignment |
0:25:46 | The invitation to bring awareness to the mental health field |
0:27:43 | Struggling with feelings of failure and the unrealistic expectations of online business |
0:29:18 | The misconception of an easy escape from corporate life |
0:30:14 | The process of building a successful online business and the need for dedication |
0:32:09 | Assessing oneself and finding joy in setting up a business |
0:33:32 | The reality of the online business journey and the importance of doing the groundwork |
0:34:28 | Acknowledging different starting points and the role of systems and foundations |
0:35:19 | Knowing your blueprint helps inform and validate your journey. |
0:35:58 | Challenges faced by BIPOC and Latinx coaches in an unequal system. |
0:37:37 | Tokenization and biases experienced by BIPOC and Latinx coaches. |
0:38:02 | Building a successful business by focusing on spiritual work. |
0:38:48 | Challenges of competing with coaches who have privilege and connections. |
0:39:21 | Being excluded from opportunities due to lack of followers. |
0:40:18 | Standing up for one's worth and value in the coaching industry. |
0:40:59 | Inconsistencies and lack of authenticity in high-priced coaching programs. |
0:42:07 | The importance of living your message and sustaining your business. |
0:43:04 | The toll of running a high-touch business and the need for protection. |
0:43:37 | The importance of maintaining a business and preparing for changes. |
0:44:07 | The reality of building a business and the need for consistent effort. |
0:44:36 | The limitations of media appearances and the importance of foundation. |
0:45:26 | Adapting to changes in the business landscape, pre and post-pandemic. |
0:46:15 | Vanessa shares her struggles with the decline of organic reach on social media. |
0:46:43 | Pay to play becomes the norm in the metaverse. |
0:47:45 | Shirani discusses breaking ancestral patterns and healing trauma. |
0:49:43 | Shirani leans into the ancestral gifts of courage and wisdom. |
0:53:22 | Shirani reminds listeners that their desires are valid and achievable. |
0:55:19 | Shirani shares where to find her on various platforms. |
0:56:27 | Vanessa thanks Shirani and encourages listeners to share the episode. |